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The use and abuse of statistics
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Spike
2024-09-12 22:02:41 UTC
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Note the following:

“Over half of Londoners…”

“88 per cent of the capital’s residents…”

“70 per cent of Londoners…”

“…while 60 per cent…”

“According to the study, in London, where 1,035 people were surveyed…”

“…the survey was carried out as part of Cyclomedia’s 2024 Urban Road Safety
Index”

So, a cycle-related organisation undertakes a survey and manages to touch
“…every cycling-related hot button issue of the past few years”. Gerraway!!

And this is based on a survey of just over 1000 Londoners! And it results
in the fabulous claims quoted above! Jesus wept.

The first few paragraphs of this travesty are quoted below, the full horror
story is at the link given.

<https://road.cc/content/news/londoners-want-more-ltns-and-20mph-limits-310309>

Over half of Londoners think councils prefer improving roads for drivers
over safety of cyclists and pedestrians, as majority call for more Low
Traffic Neighbourhoods and 20mph limits, new study finds

The survey also found that 88 per cent of the capital’s residents believe
that cycle lanes should be compulsory when one is available

by RYAN MALLON
THU, SEP 12, 2024 14:49

A new road safety survey has found that 70 per cent of Londoners believe
more Low Traffic Neighbourhoods or liveable streets schemes should be
introduced in the capital, while 60 per cent think that all roads
throughout the city should have a 20mph speed limit.

Meanwhile, over half of the London residents surveyed agreed that local
councils prefer improving infrastructure for motorists over increasing
safety for cyclists, pedestrians, and other road users, while 88 per cent
feel that cycle lanes should be compulsory when one is available.

The survey, which appears to have touched upon every cycling-related hot
button issue of the past few years, was carried out as part of Cyclomedia’s
2024 Urban Road Safety Index (link is external), which sought the views of
11,982 people across 32 European cities.
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Spike
Peter Keller
2024-09-12 22:38:15 UTC
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Post by Spike
“Over half of Londoners…”
“88 per cent of the capital’s residents…”
“70 per cent of Londoners…”
“…while 60 per cent…”
“According to the study, in London, where 1,035 people were surveyed…”
“…the survey was carried out as part of Cyclomedia’s 2024 Urban Road Safety
Index”
So, a cycle-related organisation undertakes a survey and manages to touch
“…every cycling-related hot button issue of the past few years”. Gerraway!!
And this is based on a survey of just over 1000 Londoners! And it results
in the fabulous claims quoted above! Jesus wept.
The first few paragraphs of this travesty are quoted below, the full horror
story is at the link given.
<https://road.cc/content/news/londoners-want-more-ltns-and-20mph-limits-310309>
Over half of Londoners think councils prefer improving roads for drivers
over safety of cyclists and pedestrians, as majority call for more Low
Traffic Neighbourhoods and 20mph limits, new study finds
The survey also found that 88 per cent of the capital’s residents believe
that cycle lanes should be compulsory when one is available
by RYAN MALLON
THU, SEP 12, 2024 14:49
A new road safety survey has found that 70 per cent of Londoners believe
more Low Traffic Neighbourhoods or liveable streets schemes should be
introduced in the capital, while 60 per cent think that all roads
throughout the city should have a 20mph speed limit.
Meanwhile, over half of the London residents surveyed agreed that local
councils prefer improving infrastructure for motorists over increasing
safety for cyclists, pedestrians, and other road users, while 88 per cent
feel that cycle lanes should be compulsory when one is available.
The survey, which appears to have touched upon every cycling-related hot
button issue of the past few years, was carried out as part of Cyclomedia’s
2024 Urban Road Safety Index (link is external), which sought the views of
11,982 people across 32 European cities.
"How to Lie With Statistics"
https://shorturl.at/rryyy
JNugent
2024-09-13 14:33:30 UTC
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Post by Peter Keller
Post by Spike
“Over half of Londoners…”
“88 per cent of the capital’s residents…”
“70 per cent of Londoners…”
“…while 60 per cent…”
“According to the study, in London, where 1,035 people were surveyed…”
“…the survey was carried out as part of Cyclomedia’s 2024 Urban Road Safety
Index”
So, a cycle-related organisation undertakes a survey and manages to touch
“…every cycling-related hot button issue of the past few years”. Gerraway!!
And this is based on a survey of just over 1000 Londoners! And it results
in the fabulous claims quoted above! Jesus wept.
The first few paragraphs of this travesty are quoted below, the full horror
story is at the link given.
<https://road.cc/content/news/londoners-want-more-ltns-and-20mph-limits-310309>
Over half of Londoners think councils prefer improving roads for drivers
over safety of cyclists and pedestrians, as majority call for more Low
Traffic Neighbourhoods and 20mph limits, new study finds
The survey also found that 88 per cent of the capital’s residents believe
that cycle lanes should be compulsory when one is available
by RYAN MALLON
THU, SEP 12, 2024 14:49
A new road safety survey has found that 70 per cent of Londoners believe
more Low Traffic Neighbourhoods or liveable streets schemes should be
introduced in the capital, while 60 per cent think that all roads
throughout the city should have a 20mph speed limit.
Meanwhile, over half of the London residents surveyed agreed that local
councils prefer improving infrastructure for motorists over increasing
safety for cyclists, pedestrians, and other road users, while 88 per cent
feel that cycle lanes should be compulsory when one is available.
The survey, which appears to have touched upon every cycling-related hot
button issue of the past few years, was carried out as part of Cyclomedia’s
2024 Urban Road Safety Index (link is external), which sought the views of
11,982 people across 32 European cities.
"How to Lie With Statistics"
https://shorturl.at/rryyy
Darrell Huff?

Ah yes... still have my copy of Huff, just on fifty years old now.
Bought it at W H Smith in Liverpool when I was a first year student.

Another way people lie with statistics is to seek to compare things
which have nothing to do with each other.
Peter Keller
2024-09-14 03:53:12 UTC
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Post by JNugent
Post by Peter Keller
Post by Spike
“Over half of Londoners…”
“88 per cent of the capital’s residents…”
“70 per cent of Londoners…”
“…while 60 per cent…”
“According to the study, in London, where 1,035 people were surveyed…”
“…the survey was carried out as part of Cyclomedia’s 2024 Urban Road Safety
Index”
So, a cycle-related organisation undertakes a survey and manages to touch
“…every cycling-related hot button issue of the past few years”. Gerraway!!
And this is based on a survey of just over 1000 Londoners! And it results
in the fabulous claims quoted above! Jesus wept.
The first few paragraphs of this travesty are quoted below, the full horror
story is at the link given.
<https://road.cc/content/news/londoners-want-more-ltns-and-20mph-limits-310309>
Over half of Londoners think councils prefer improving roads for drivers
over safety of cyclists and pedestrians, as majority call for more Low
Traffic Neighbourhoods and 20mph limits, new study finds
The survey also found that 88 per cent of the capital’s residents believe
that cycle lanes should be compulsory when one is available
by RYAN MALLON
THU, SEP 12, 2024 14:49
A new road safety survey has found that 70 per cent of Londoners believe
more Low Traffic Neighbourhoods or liveable streets schemes should be
introduced in the capital, while 60 per cent think that all roads
throughout the city should have a 20mph speed limit.
Meanwhile, over half of the London residents surveyed agreed that local
councils prefer improving infrastructure for motorists over increasing
safety for cyclists, pedestrians, and other road users, while 88 per cent
feel that cycle lanes should be compulsory when one is available.
The survey, which appears to have touched upon every cycling-related hot
button issue of the past few years, was carried out as part of Cyclomedia’s
2024 Urban Road Safety Index (link is external), which sought the views of
11,982 people across 32 European cities.
"How to Lie With Statistics"
https://shorturl.at/rryyy
Darrell Huff?
Ah yes... still have my copy of Huff, just on fifty years old now.
Bought it at W H Smith in Liverpool when I was a first year student.
Another way people lie with statistics is to seek to compare things
which have nothing to do with each other.
Too true --
67.2% of statistics are made up.

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